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Father Peters Saint Parish Joseph Church New Mexico Father Peters <Father Peters> Accanaldo, New Mexico US of A Thanks for putting your guest book out for us to leave a message…it’s a big help. Thanks again ... :-) Bill Bill Keep up this great resource. I bookmark your site, best greetings ... Kylie Great work done guys. <avinsar@rediffmail.com> Albs, Alabama United States my husband is a commercial airline pilot. it is so shocking to read this stuff on your site. my sincere sympathies with all the families. what can we do to help better the situation, would like some help - thanks! namrata <cooper> burbank, ca usa Hello to all, I came accross your web site while surfing and I am amazed at what I have read. The regulatory departments of the U.S. aero business should hang their heads in shame. The impression that one forms is that the regulators are concerned more about the companies and their profits that about the safety of the public. It amazes me that one can suffer disproportinally for small infringements of rules and laws in our private lives while those who commit serious crimes of commission or ommision seem to get away with a disproportionate punishment. Perhaps we should look at the crusades of Ralph Nader in the past, and when we do so we should studiously ignore the general press. I wish success with your site and I shall return at regular intervals and support you Michael Michael O'Neill <mfoneill@yahoo.com> Ireland Nice website! Allie <janisgurl@aol.com> Williamsburg, Va US I have been flying Metrolines in freight configuration for nearly 6 years and this site has should be rewarded for its dedication to safety within the industry Geoff Tozer <avionboogie@bigpond.com> Melbourne, Victoria Australia Very nice site... wallpapers <wsjdnmt@speed-racer.com> USA Cool Site. Wish there were more like this one on the Net. Ron Reisebericht having been in cargo 20 years ive seen it all but safety should be a big issue,most of these planes are 1st generation jets and are literally falling apart,like pieces in back yards, i went to the crash site in miami last week and for the life of me i couldnt figure out the extra six thousand pounds would make the differnce unless it was in the nose,,now who ever never strapped it in should have been prosecuted.that was stupid,i guess captns are gonna have to do a viual now to check it to when the are supposed to do a walk around,havent seen it lately either.those old 8s should be retired theres plenty of l10-11 in the boneyards dl had,,hell fex ex is litterally looseing pieces of a/c in peoples yards homes,,on take off and landing,,,,i admit the fine air didnt have much to work with looking at the end of the runway and the offices couldnt figure out,must have really been way over 6,000 lbs or flaps wenrnt in full position. i watched several take off all day and used half the runways,,,i cant see the overweight thing, maybe an engine failed ,but second quaterbacking is never gonna answer the prob,just retire old a/c fran l <ljeanes> memphis, tn usa I am a B-727 captain that was forced to resign from a passenger charter headquartered in MSP, (and it isn't Sun Country)because I was harassed by middle management. Specifically, I was called into the office, (on my days off, of course) to explain why I elected to deice my airplane in DEN on a frosty morning. I was accused of being malicious. A fellow captain with more years on the trijet than I care to think about was called in recently to explain why he landed with a low oil pressure/filter bypass light illuminated instead of continuing to his destination. This same company tried to discipline a captain and admittedly removed the CVR to do so for something they later admitted never happened. Bottom line? Money. Plain and simple. My point here is this. It's not just the freight companies that have this tombstone imperative mentality. I've done the freight dog routine out of DAY, and some of the pax charter companies I've been with weren't much better. I think this website should be expanded to included those companies as well. E.K. <mariancat@msn.com> Indianapolis, IN USA I have been flying the heavy iron from the begining of my career in the air Force, when I was a C-141 Flight Engineer, right up to the present.I have almost 10,000 hours in the DC-8. Thats a long time to ponder the question of safety! I've seen alot of insanity and believe me I have the gray hair to prove it.I have looked upon the face of death, and reached out and shook it's hand. It is bone chilling! The question is "What is safety?" Can the DC-8 takeoff 10,000lbs over weight? Will it take off and fly on three engines?If you've been around the freight idustry for any length of time you've seen it, and probibly more than once. If it does it once will it do it again? Just exactly when does aviation become unsafe? Safety is like an onion, it has many many layers. The more layers the better! The more layers you peel from it, the more someone is going to cry.I have theory I call the "X" theory. It goes like this. The coyote places an "X" where he calculates the giant bolder will hit the ground when it falls. He knows that it will kill anything standing on the "X", so he puts some bird seed right in the middle in hopes that the Road Runner will stop on the "X".But something goes wrong. The rock doesn't fall dispite every effort. He knows the rock will hit the "X" when it falls, He knows it will kill anything on the "X", but he can't resist the urge to stand on the "X "and tug and pull. We all know what happens next.The "X" represents the known outcome. The rock,a sequence of events , known and unknown. but we know that whenever the rock falls it will definitely hit the "X." Therefore, you will be safe if you do not stand on the "X"! The CAB,CAA,and FAA have been devoting a tremendious amout of resource and energy defining the "X" since the begining of aviation. Yet some operators still can not resist the urge to have there crews stand right smack dab in the middle! Theres a huge pile of money on it that they can not resist!Passenger carriers have an FAA agent standing right next to it holding a big baseball bat saying "if you so much as stick one toe on it I am going to slap you silly ! There is not enough funding, or so they would have us believe, to watch every cargo carrier out there, and so the greed takes over and we all get to greeve at the results. I have too many friends who have fallen victem to the greed of the cargo Kingdoms!Why would they put themselvs in harms way we might ask. Its not an easy question to answer. You have to consider that the X is not allways clearly marked.Some cargo managements will do anything to further distort the view. They will even go as far as to say the X doesn't exist at all.They will lie, cheat and pile so much money on it that you can't even see it!What I'm trying to say is this, until the FAA steps in with the same kind of policing as the passenger lines , it will not go away! Cargo has always been small potatoes.I am currently on furlough from Emery due to a much awated FAA action. I am angry about loosing my job. I am angry at Emery for the flagrent disreguard for safty and human life, at the way they conducted themselvs in reguard to the victems like Craig Muller(who lost his legs when run over by an Emery fork lift), Steve Stables, George Land, Russell Hicks!I am angry at the FAA for taking so long, who were notified countless times for years befor anyone was hurt, but did nothing! So if you are a cargo flight crew member remember, you are the last layer in the onion. Don't depend on any other layers to be intact,, they may be there , they may not! Know where the "X"s are, remember them. If you can't remember them then get a pen and paper and make a map! As sure as I am sitting here someone is going to ask you to stand on it,"for the good of the company" and they will be hard to resist. If you take the boulder lightly, it will show you just how light it isn't. So don't! My reguards to all of the families of all those who have fallen. They are missed by all of us and will not be forgotten! Fred Heckroth <KargoK9@hotmail.com> Spartanburg, SC I remember the white wash that was tried in the cover-up of this tragedy. I also flew as Captain at Fine on the L-1011. john Darcey <cavokwx@worldnet.att.net> Wichita, Kansas After 35 years of flying, and 23 years in 'heavy iron', I didn't think anything would surprise me anymore. 13 years at a major heavy freight airline has opened my eyes as to the total disregard some members of management can have for the lives of crewmembers and the safety of the public, for the sake of the bottom line and to make themselves look good to their superiors. The aviation attitude must be learned and practiced by those involved, but unfamiliar with aviation. Managers, listen to your crews! They know what they are talking about. The 'it wasn't invented here' syndrome has no place in aviation. Management's contempt for crewmembers and their input only serves to display the severe shortcomings in their own management style. Perhaps many of them have a latent desire to be a pilot and resent the fact they are unable or incapable. Their ignorance of our profession is only surpassed by that of the general public. Larry Cheshire, DC8 Captain <larry@boxhauler.com> Spring, Texs USA MTOW is for sissies. Back in the early 90's I flew a DC8 for a freight operator. We commonly overloaded by 10,000 lbs and if we did not want to fly the boss called us sissies. We almost blew traffic off a highway at PDX once, when we couldn't gain altitude and had to turn-out to avoid a localizer beacon on a hot summer day in '92. Joe W. Joe Waverly <toadishman@yahoo.com> Greetings! As a former employee of both Fine Air & an air consolidator recently bankrupted (Aerofloral) I am well aware of the insantiy of the air cargo industry & its endemic corruption. I am interested to seemore information on your site. Best regards, C Patton C Patton <aircargosales@aol.com> Miami, FL USA